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  The UN Affiliation: Likely Denouement?

  by JosephAlward in

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  2. scandals

  ive found the un affiliation threads very interesting, but ive also expressed the view that this issue will have virtually no effect on jw membership.

  i have at least two reasons for believing this.. first, after reading w. j. schnells 1957 book, thirty years a watchtower slave, in which the author describes how the watchtower used negative publicity to increase membership, im now of the opinion that continued commentary on this matter may only serve to foster an even greater conviction on the part of rank and file jws that they are being persecuted, and they will increase their efforts to recruit members; this will offset what i think will be a miniscule number of defections by those who will feel betrayed because of the un affiliation.

  the reason why i think there will be few defections is described below.. second, i believe that the watchtower can easily defend itself.

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  Klaus Vollmer

  Hey Joe,
  I think your arguments have weight.
  But you forget within your calculation thgat people often want to be betrayed.
  Think of the 1975 peak and its following up. Nothing much happend, some left the org and at last today even elders speak on the platform that 1975 was no thing from the Governing Body but from file and ranks.
  Brainwashed people are made to believe erverything which is poured out on the platform.
  You only can encourage those who open their mind to be like an Beroean: proving what is right. That includes also some kind of braveness which mostly is taken from JWs, as they learned to trust the GB and they dont want to hear doubts and figures and facts against their historical believing.
  Even if RELIGION once was said to be founded by Nimrod and today they carry it for themselves like in Europe (e.g. Germany)
  The ivory tower has much experiences in steering persons.
  And those have forgotten that they have an own responsibility in their relation to god.
  This situation is everything else than encouraging, it is frustrating, because the normal JW wants to find gods favor. At last he is guided like a bull at his nosering. but I learned that the trial begins at the house of god, like Peter (I guess) does say.
  So we are good when we keep our minds open and when we dont be silent.
  Thsi time is over. Wachtower goes to Egypt and that is what makes it falling like ancient Jerusalem.
  You must cure the roots of a tree, not cutting off its brown leaves when it is sick.
  Watchtower at the moment cures symptomes of their declining members - e.g. 15 minutes a month is a permanent publisher.
  But they dont cure the mind of people which are living under lifes pressure and are empty to make hours by hours by hours, preaching a message that nobody wants to hear by magazines nobody reads via publishers with no motivation going from house to house at times no one has time. It is wasted time doing this therapy.
  Better would be ministry on informal base.
  But learn a GB-Team of nearly a 1000 years age progress. They are old, in winter of life and going the way of Adam. They know that 607 is wrong and they know the consequences.
  What they not know is that without Jehovah they are nothing.
  By the way, your articles are indeed good. I appreciate this forum and the motivation from most of the writers as I see there is much effort for progress in believe and relation to god.
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  space.com dates Noah's flood to 2350 B.C.

  by aChristian in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the watchtower society dates noah's flood to 2370 b.c.e.

  they do this by following bible chronology quite closely, counting backwards from 607 b.c.e., their date for babylon's destruction of jerusalem.

  however, as we know, the society's date for that event is in error.

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  Klaus Vollmer

  I guess to have read in the bible that the good news was preached to the end of the world in the days of the apostles.
  That teaches us that you cant take this expression literally.
  And so the record of Noah.
  At his time there was the deluge in the region of his living. Today we know that the Black sea was a lake of sweet water before the Dardanells broke and water from the mediteranian sea came in and lifted the Black sea surface for 100 meters in minimum. They have found shells from sweet water musssels in the Black sea.
  So what do we learn from it?
  There was a deluge over the world of Noah. And it must have been a destruction of an ancient world.
  but not everywhere as flood. We had earthquakes and giant sea waves.
  The great salt lake in Utah stems from the water of the Pacific Ocean as it was also hit by an impact. So waves higher than 5000 meters crossed the rockies and devasted the land.
  if the whole earth would have been flooded than it would be difficult to have sweetwater lakes like the Baikal in Siberia, which is the greates of his kind in the world.
  In consequence I would say the reports of the bible are true - out of the sight of the writers.
  But let us be open minded. Nobody has an absolute testimonial about the past.
  And an absolute claim of what is true regarding those great things - it would be heretic.
  I think that faith in god can include many things which might be impossible for those in the ivory towers.
  Dont let us forget that there once RELIGION was declared as an evil thing ( the judge ) and today they make in RELIGION worldwide.
  Be aware of things that happen. But use your own understanding and conscience. Ypou wear the responsibility - and not the GB.
  Example: 1975. Everyone who did not believe this year was set under pressure. Today those who believed it are said to be independent thinkers.and I know people who haqvent taken care to pay for pension. Now they are elder than 70 and must work so they stilll can.
  And those ivories make one on pilate: washing their hands feeling not guilty.
  they must and will get their bill - equal like it happens.
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  space.com dates Noah's flood to 2350 B.C.

  by aChristian in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the watchtower society dates noah's flood to 2370 b.c.e.

  they do this by following bible chronology quite closely, counting backwards from 607 b.c.e., their date for babylon's destruction of jerusalem.

  however, as we know, the society's date for that event is in error.

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  Klaus Vollmer

  I recommend the book "Uriel's machine"
  Uriel's Machine: secrets of the ancient stones, October 9, 2001
  Who built the mysterious, ancient stone circles like Stone Henge, that stand in so many locations accross Europe and also in the Middle East?

  Why were they built? What was their intended purpose?

  Who are the Freemasons and the Knights Templar? What have they and other secret groups got to do with megalithic structures?

  Do the secret societies who still guard their sacred, secret and very ancient information quietly influence world affairs today?

  Uriel's Machine beautifully attempts to explain the answers to these and other profound and intriguing questions.

  Some ideas of the ideas expressed at first sound a little far-fetched but convincing arguments are painstakingly made by Lomas & Knight, with virtually every page bearing at least one reference to other books and studies in order to robustly support their theories.

  If you have even a passing interest in megaliths, stone circles, ancient man, religion, conspiracy theories, the Freemasons or the Knights Templar, then you should certainly add this book to your reading list. it is entertaining, bold and extremely well researched.

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  Interesting quote in light of the UN thing

  by Trevor Scott in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i came across this quote in a 1981 wt article today.

  thought i would post it in light of the un thing:.

  *** w81 9/15 23 disfellowshiping-how to view it ***.

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  Klaus Vollmer

  if a sack of flour is poured out in china
  or WTBS changes the direction
  those in the ivory towers dont take care of anything.
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  Your ideas about a disaster at WTS headquarters

  by Mindchild in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for the last few days i've been involved in putting a post together for this board that has been growing and growing because one idea led to another, etc.

  (i really got to stop drinking so much caffeine) anyway i'm at a point where i would appreciate some feedback.. the sept 11 terrorist attack got me thinking about what would happen if there was a major physical disaster at either ny headquarters or bethel.

  i'm talking about say a horrific accident or terrorist act that leaves many witnesses dead and injured.

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  Klaus Vollmer

  take an example by Balzac:

  feed them onion cake, give them youg wine, close the doors and occupy all toilets.
  Afterwards you will have energetic outbreaks and a great ass will arise in brooklin - farting all apostates away.
  That is your approach mindy. go and get it.
  and dont forget to light the gas. it will burn with a blue flame, it is methane.
  afterwards you could change the name into ONION POWER GAS & FART INC.
  but pay attention: its high explosive and energetic and too dangerous for nobodies like we are.
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  The true account of Adam and Eve

  by RedhorseWoman in

  1. social
  2. humour

  the history of creation and diet................. god created man in his own image;.

  male and female he created them.. and god looked upon man and woman.

  and saw that they were lean and fit.. and god populated the earth.

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  Klaus Vollmer

  and satan spoke: As you are sinners you will work the rest of your lifes within mcdonald restaurants for 4.25 $ hourly wage.
  you must clean toilets and tables with one towel and you must serve youngsters with hotdog surrogates from BSE meat.

  Adam fell on his knee and said: Oh Lord, gimme shelter beware my health and the working ability of my wife.
  and they sinned in one Ford, regenerating macs and burgers and kfc's so that nowadays the great nation from ocean to ocean is going to make war for mcvain, the ultimate general in Crooklyn.
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  The true account of Adam and Eve

  by RedhorseWoman in

  1. social
  2. humour

  the history of creation and diet................. god created man in his own image;.

  male and female he created them.. and god looked upon man and woman.

  and saw that they were lean and fit.. and god populated the earth.

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  Klaus Vollmer

  and satan spoke: As you are sinners you will work the rest of your lifes within mcdonald restaurants for 4.25 $ hourly wage.
  you must clean toilets and tables with one towel and you must serve youngsters with hotdog surrogates from BSE meat.

  Adam fell on his knee and said: Oh Lord, gimme shelter beware my health and the working ability of my wife.
  and they sinned in one Ford, regenerating macs and burgers and kfc's so that nowadays the great nation from ocean to ocean is going to make war for mcvain, the ultimate general in Crooklyn.
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  Jesus never existed!!

  by jw_uncovered in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  buddha of india .

  he performed miracles and raised one man, el-azar-us, from the dead.

  the sun is the "light of the world.

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  Klaus Vollmer

  give me a pencil and I write history new
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  Why the WTS love to name call! Awake June 22

  by ISP in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ever been called an apostate?

  other such name or label?

  well you should know why and how such names are used and why they are used purposefully by the wts.. awake june 22 ,2000 page 6. some people insult those who disagree with them by questioning character or motives instead of focusing on the facts.

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  Klaus Vollmer

  Jesus was an apostate too - in the eyes of the pharisees of his days
  as he did strange deeds regarding gods will.

  Could it be that today there are people who keep their mind also in a "strange" way to the bible by rejecting certain "laws" of any doctine-giving group?

  May be there are many apostates in the eyes of such groups.
  But in the eyes of GOD they cant be apostates as they obey to the bible.
  And the bible does not demand to baptize someone into an organization e.g.
  I am tired to write here more - you know what I mean.

  Apostates may be apostates in regard to any organization but cna they be apostates in regard to god when they dont agree in certain practice?

  I guess nobody can throw the stone for this fact.

  wash me - but don't make me wet
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  Example of Brainwashing Proves WTS Is A Cult!

  by MadApostate in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after reading puppylove's post, "a sad example of jw brainwashing /twisted thinking", and hearing very familiar comments, i have decided to relate an experience i had a few days ago, which i am leary to relate since the key factor severely limits the jw population of "possibles".

  (details are purposefully sketchy to protect my identity.

  a jw, who usually avoids me like the plague, placed themself in a position of being alone with me for a few hours due to their greedy desire to obtain something free.

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  Klaus Vollmer

  hi folks, your experience is exact the same I have.
  Today there are elders on the platform speaking that 1975 doesn't origin from the soiciety but from some JWs who were to fast in their mind.....
  And I remember there is an utterance of the society I guess in the 1980 yearbook (maybe earlier) just in the beginning about page 30-40 where they agree that they have some guilt in the 1975 thinking.
  Our CO was very open on the platform, when I dsicussed this with him privately before the meeting and told him that some brothers deny the 1975 case he integrated into his speech that the "1975 hope did not grow upstream but downstream".
  I think that people are very much hurt in their conscience and mind, in their personality. They seem like to be raped that it is a mechanism of protection to deny the real situation.
  Indeed, some have taken place on the chair of Moses, on the chair of Abraham, rejecting the conscience of anybody, demanding an own righteosness.
  But the trial begins in the house of the Lord and I am convinced that those in the ivory towers will get their full measure.
  Lets be patient and look what future will bring
  

  Wash me - but don't make me wet